After I first skimmed Lorde’s cover profile for Dazed Magazine, it took me a few days to work up the energy to cover it. That’s not about Lorde – I really like Lorde and I think she’s transitioning from a “wunderkind” to an adult pop star with a lot of grace and intelligence. No, my problem was that Dazed sent Lena Dunham to interview Lorde. They know each other through Taylor Swift – Lena and Lorde are two of Swifty’s most high-profile collected friends. And even though Lorde is the one being profiled, Lena managed to make most of the interview and profile about Lena. Because what else were you expecting? The result is one of the most annoying celebrity profiles I’ve read in a while (and I read profiles all f—king day!!!). So here are some highlights and of course I have to include a lot of Lena stuff because Lena just wanted to talk about Lena.

Lorde on her ‘tude: “I sometimes get asked, ‘Did people try to sexualise you early on in your career?’ But I came into this with such a strong viewpoint – even when I was 13 or 14, my sense of self felt too permanent for anyone to f–k with. You know, whenever there was a makeover suggestion or like, ‘Do you wanna try this push- up bra?’ I think I freaked enough people out – or intimidated enough people – that it didn’t happen. But also, does that still happen these days? Is that a thing? I feel like people think more of teenage girls than that.

Lorde on whether she mostly has dude friends: “I do. I have a lot of dude friends. I was kind of the camp mother of all the guys. I’ve been texting my friend because he hasn’t had a haircut without me in seven years so he just sends me the haircut emoji and I’m like, ‘OK, I’m going to take you.’ They’re amazing. I feel like teenage boys, all their emotions are really simple and diluted. Teenage girls feel everything so intensely and are so multi-faceted. Boys are just like, they’ll rest a head on your shoulder and you know exactly what that means.

Lena on their friends: “And speaking of camp mother, I feel that Taylor (Swift) has really taken control and said, ‘I’m going to get us all together in the same place, I’m gonna make it very clear that friendship is powerful and women are magic and if anybody thinks this is a witches’ coven they might be right.’ She’s just made it her job in a very cool way.”

Lorde on Swifty: “Yeah! I mean, she definitely brought me into this amazing world of supportive female friendship. For me, someone starts talking about boys and I’m like, ‘I just don’t know what to say.’ I’m useless in that capacity and that was why I thought, ‘Well, I can’t have girl friends (because) I don’t know how to talk about boys.’ But Taylor just glosses over the fact that I’m terrible at that and she’s just like, ‘It’s OK, I’ll love you for your other qualities.’

Lorde’s mom is crazy old? “My mum is such a big influence on all aspects of my life – as a child of immigrants who escaped the First World War, she’s the strongest person I have come across in my entire life.”

On feminism: “I’m not just going to do a 180 on a girl because she hasn’t learned about feminism. I remember not being 100 per cent sure what feminism or intersectional feminism is – I’m still not 100 per cent sure! One thing I hadn’t come face-to-face with until I was about 16 was thinking really hard about whiteness and what it means to be white, and all these questions around race and sexuality, which are incredibly important. For a long time, I wasn’t aware of how important it was to be a feminist for all women.

[From Dazed]

As you can imagine, the Gawker Lorde-Age-Truthers are having a field day with that totally weird quote about her mom. “As a child of immigrants who escaped the First World War…” That means that when her mom was born in 1965, Lorde’s mom’s parents were in their 50s? Does that make any sense? Is Lorde’s family full of vampires? Lorde Age-Truthers need to get on this!

Lena repeatedly brings up feminism and Lorde handles all of those questions very well. It’s sort of remarkable to see an 18-year-old (!!!) talk about feminism, white privilege and intersectionality with such grace while Lena, who is 29 years old, still sounds like such an a—hole about all of it.

Photos courtesy of Ryan McGinley/DAZED.